{"version":"1.0","provider_url":"https:\/\/warpwire.duke.edu","provider_name":"Warpwire","is_public":true,"duration":0,"has_caption":true,"links":{"caption":[{"label":"English","url":"https:\/\/warpwire.duke.edu\/api\/caption\/_fUHAA\/308877\/vtt\/?nonce=273389ec0c4a341e53933b07d51709ce&expiration=1787371200&signature=3dc4c0a6c79700d94dfcf0c54d6127d3a06322abc1a0880852e5e72a21c1c3cc"}]},"views":0,"upload_date":"2023-10-19T17:04:47+00:00","description":"Join Rudi, \u00c4ngela, Nicole and Kai, joined by special guest, Sh\u2019Maughn Wright, career advisor and Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor, as they discuss how to find balance in busy lives and be confident that we are more than our 9-5. \r\nHow do you separate what you do on day-today basis with who you are at home or in other capacities? What are some of the assumptions that you\u2019ve encountered about the role of work in our daily lives? What are some helpful suggestions you have for people seeking to find balance in their work\/life?  \r\nDoes not make you THE BEST EMPLOYEE EVER \u2013 it makes you a healthier\r\nWhere do these worlds collide?\r\nTranscript: \r\n- Hello, and welcome to the What's Career Got To Do With It? Podcast where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you're at in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance and maybe some laughs along the way.\r\n\r\n- On today's episode, we are joined by special guest Sh'Maughn Wright, career specialist, as we discuss and answer or many to the question, who are we beyond the 9 to 5.\r\n\r\n- Sh'Maughn?\r\n\r\n- Hey, Sh'Maughn.\r\n\r\n- Hey.\r\n\r\n- Top of the morning. Hey.\r\n\r\n- Good morning.\r\n\r\n- Do you mind introducing yourself real quick? Tell us who you are, where you're from.\r\n\r\n- Well-\r\n\r\n- For your people?\r\n\r\n- Well, I am Sh'Maughn Wright. I am, well, for one, a licensed clinical mental- health counselor associate and also a career advisor here at Duke. I'm from Goldsboro, North Carolina originally, if anyone knows where that is.\r\n\r\n- I do.\r\n\r\n- Wayne County?\r\n\r\n- So, yep, Wayne County. So that's the little town that I'm from. Been in the Durham area probably about 10 years now, so.\r\n\r\n- We're throwing up signs in here , the cool city sign.\r\n\r\n- Alright.\r\n\r\n- K didn't do it, but K should have been the first one, I'm just saying.\r\n\r\n- Oh.\r\n\r\n- See, when you're from here, you ain't gotta throw it up, it speaks.\r\n\r\n- We hear K in the background.\r\n\r\n- It's gonna be a day, y'all. Hang on.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- So we, we've been talking over the past couple episodes and past couple weeks about people leading double lives. No, I'm just kidding. Not double lives , but people, people living beyond their 9 to 5 because that does take place. I think we so much, we focus so much on that 9 to 5 job, but there's also, people have other passions, other things that they want to get into. And, at the beginning, you, you talked a little bit about your credentials. Do you mind sharing a little bit more about that? Because we know you as the career advisor, but do you mind telling us a little bit more about what goes on beyond that?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so outside of the career, being a career advisor, I am a therapist and I, I, I see individuals as well as couples. So I've been doing that for about three years now. About three years. So finally about to be fully licensed in that area.\r\n\r\n- Woo hoo!\r\n\r\n- Hey. I graduated from Central back in 2021,\r\n\r\n- Eagle Pride.\r\n\r\n- So, yes, yes, amplified.\r\n\r\n- OK.\r\n\r\n- My Camels, Campbell is playing them this weekend, so.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, they're good.\r\n\r\n- Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. So we'll be watching that. But yeah, so I, I've, I've been doing that, as well. So I do that kind of like part time. So that's been actually a real big help when it comes to me balancing my 9 to 5 because during my program, I was able to teach myself like, you gotta engage in like selfcare. You gotta make sure your, your cup is full at all times. So that's been, like, a priority for me for a good minute now.\r\n\r\n- That's awesome. And, and if you don't mind, just diving into selfcare, too I'd be curious and everybody else kind of chime in on that, too. Selfcare, like what, what are you doing?\r\n\r\n- So selfcare for me looks different, almost like, so it evolves. So, like, I feel like as we evolve and change your selfcare plans and treatments will, will change, as well. So for me, I of course try to work out at least five times a week-\r\n\r\n- Oh, sorry.\r\n\r\n- Trying to do-\r\n\r\n- Sorry, sorry.\r\n\r\n- That is not Nicole. Thanks for that noise, Nicole. That wasn't a sound effect, that was Nicole.\r\n\r\n- But, yeah, so, I try to do that at least about five times a week. And then I also have a four-year-old and a fiance, so, you know, tryin' to\r\n\r\n- That's a workout right there.\r\n\r\n- Exactly. So I'm always working, always doing something. And you know, one of the things I do is like, especially professionally, I try to, I set boundaries even with work, like, you know, try to, you know, have a cutoff time where it's like, you know, I am not doing anything else work-wise because now it's time to focus on myself or not, on my family or something like that. So selfcare for me can be traveling. I love to read, I'm a big music person, so going to concerts, things like that. I love being able to do and just hanging out, spending time with loved ones. I will say I enjoy sports, so even watching it or going to a, some type of game or event. So yeah, for me that's, that's, that's about what my selfcare looks like.\r\n\r\n- Also, I wanna plug this, if, if you are a student and you meet with Sh'Maughn, make sure you ask what he's listening to right now.\r\n\r\n- Yes. There's always a great recommendation.\r\n\r\n- Please, please. 'Cause I'm gonna ask you the same question, so.\r\n\r\n- Kai, what do, what do you have to say?\r\n\r\n- No, we're not gonna do this today. No, we're not. Rudy, what is your selfcare plan for today?\r\n\r\n- Well, the other day I took some pre-workout to unload the dishwasher, so. That's, that's about where we are right now. That's about where we are.\r\n\r\n- Well, I don't do the cardio. No, I'm kidding, y'all. I got a whole Peloton in my bedroom. But selfcare depends on the weather for me, 'cause if it's nice outside, I'm going outside. I don't care if it is walking my little crazy, crazy dog, or if it's just going to the gardens or if it's just going in my car, seeing where it takes me on autopilot, walking around window shopping, I'm gonna wanna be outside. If it's kind of a gloomy day, then I'm likely in the kitchen, either baking something, trying something, I have a whole wall, a whole bookshelf dedicated to baking. So I'll pull out a book, see where the page lands, and then just kind of go for it.\r\n\r\n- So come over to your house when it's raining?\r\n\r\n- For me, it depends on how, how the wind blows that day. Some days, I'm literally in my house on my couch and that's what I'm doing. Other days, I'm out and about outside shopping. I might be going to get my nails done. It's about that time right now. So there will be a selfcare Friday evening this weekend, I'm gonna tell you that right now.\r\n\r\n- Yes.\r\n\r\n- But, or I will, and I know I owe y'all, I'm gonna start it, I promise, I'm going to start it August, October 1st. I'll hop on my Cricut and make some stuff.\r\n\r\n- Yes.\r\n\r\n- And I owe y'all some cups.\r\n\r\n- Yes.\r\n\r\n- So I'm working on it. I got you.\r\n\r\n- Mouse pads, oh, boy.\r\n\r\n- Mouse pad, listen, though. Lemme tell you, I found, I found some mouse pads, right? I just gotta get the right ink 'cause I might be able to press that picture, too, on a mouse pad, I'm just saying. Just gimme a minute on that one.\r\n\r\n- Gotcha.\r\n\r\n- OK, what was the question, selfcare?\r\n\r\n- Rudy?\r\n\r\n- OK, selfcare.\r\n\r\n- Yes, what does selfcare look like, OK?\r\n\r\n- This look, Rudy is giving Kai right now, y'all.\r\n\r\n- Selfcare, I like, I'm gonna, I like what you said about outside. For me, it's weather, too. Summertime, I'm really sad 'cause fall's ending. I like summertime because of the heat.\r\n\r\n- Mmm hmm.\r\n\r\n- You can sit-\r\n\r\n- You can sit on your front porch with your t-shirt on, some shorts and enjoy a nice lemonade. And that for me is selfcare.\r\n\r\n- And, and watch the people and Kai, and watch the people.\r\n\r\n- And watch the people.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Do you know what you can, can do in the fall?\r\n\r\n- What?\r\n\r\n- You can sit on your front porch, cozied up in a sweater with some fuzzy slippers.\r\n\r\n- Don't nobody wanna put on them clothes on.\r\n\r\n- And hot chocolate.\r\n\r\n- And hot chocolate.\r\n\r\n- Are you kidding me?\r\n\r\n- Or some tea, some hot tea with some lemon and some bourbon.\r\n\r\n- Kai, I got you, and we can have a nice-\r\n\r\n- And you don't have to worry about sweating-\r\n\r\n- Exactly.\r\n\r\n- And we can have a nice refreshing drink that has something in mine and Kai.\r\n\r\n- The sweat cool under your arms.\r\n\r\n- Folks, it is the end of September.\r\n\r\n- No.\r\n\r\n- You all are here with us today. As you can tell, we are just giving you every piece of us that we have today. So we are definitely hoping you're enjoying this episode thus far. Alright, everybody back on track.\r\n\r\n- For selfcare. I sit in silence.\r\n\r\n- And watch us?\r\n\r\n- OK.\r\n\r\n- we all need Sh'Maughn, apparently.\r\n\r\n- Apparently.\r\n\r\n- We do. Thanks, Sh'Maughn.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, Monday through Thursday, 5 to 6.\r\n\r\n- Hey, that's a nice tie in. That's a nice tie in. So you, you mentioned your schedule there a little bit, but do you mind talking about, I think, there's a, there's this common, there's a reason, first of all, there's a reason why this is titled \"Beyond the 9 to 5\" because like you said, 5 to 6, you've got time, you got schedule. How, what happens when all that blends together? How do you kind of manage that? You talked about selfcare, but what are some of the assumptions you've encountered from people I know on our end where like there's always an email coming in, even after 5. So what do you do to kind of manage that? You talked about boundaries, what does that look like for you?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so boundaries for me could be sometimes turning my phone off, so I don't get anything. Being a therapist sometimes is hard. So depending on what level a client may be at.\r\n\r\n- Like, if they are more of like an intense case, I may, you know, have them be able to like still send notifications through do not disturb, just so I can check in on them and just make sure that they're fine. But, other than that, I try to like just shut, shut all things down. If anything, if I don't like turn my phone off or anything like that, I may just like leave it somewhere, turn it or like shut the computer down and just like go into a different room just to not even be tempted to even go over there and even check a notification or anything like that. So for me it's just moreso about, I guess, consistency for one. And then also just discipline, like, being able to like really cut off work at a certain time. Because during my undergraduate and I would say graduate career, I would say I always worked maybe two to three jobs. So it's like, it was, it was never ending-\r\n\r\n- Mmm hmm.\r\n\r\n- At one point, so I was happy to be, you know, brought on to Duke, 'cause I'm like, I have more, more opportunity to really still do therapy and do this job, but also still have more time to be with my family or do things for myself and things like that. So I understand that life happens to everybody. So I always wanna make sure that I'm doing like selfcare for me and just really setting those boundaries because I wanna make sure that my cup is full so that I can pour into everybody else and yeah.\r\n\r\n- Boundaries, everybody. We've touched on boundaries before in the past, but I would love to hear some specific ones. I know we have a colleague in our office, and I won't mention their name, but they don't even have the Outlook app on their phone. They know work time is work time and they pull it up on their computer and they're, they're willing to work different hours, but also they know that like, hey, they're not using their phone for that. They're only gonna use their computer for that, which I think is pretty smart. I know of another colleague that has a hard stop, no matter what. It's like I'm shutting off no matter what at this time. What about y'all?\r\n\r\n- Oh, go ahead.\r\n\r\n- Oh, OK. I, I think, I think, I think it's important to understand that boundaries are different for people and what they look like are gonna vary as well, too, right? So, yes, I have never in my life had a hard stop for work, but I also know, like, if I'm laying in the bed and I'm scrolling social media, and I do have Outlook on my phone, right? So if I see it come up, if it is not from a certain person, then I'm not swiping it down, right? So, so that's kind of what my stop-work boundary looks like for me. Just because sometimes, you know, there may be some things that might come through from, from the boss man that I need to see. It may say, you know, \"Don't look at this right now,\" but I'm gonna look at it right now just because I also wanna prepare for the next day as much as I possibly can. So I think that's what, what my boundary, they're, they're kind of situational, but then there are some days where I will do a hard stop, right? Like nothing work related, I have no idea where my laptop is, or I go somewhere where I know I'm not gonna have any cell-phone service, not bring my laptop with me, right? So I do do that occasionally as well, too. But I think it's just, again, accepting that boundaries look different for different folks and don't be afraid to ask people kind of what their boundaries are on certain things, on certain things.\r\n\r\n- So I am one of those people who do not put Outlook on my phone. The only way I can check my work email is if I go through the browser and see it because once I leave Duke, I don't wanna deal with it. Now, I will say that, but there are situations where I have to be ready, OK? And so that communication is key with those folks who need to communicate with me. Like, if you know you're sending something, shoot me a text, let me know because it's not something that I'm gonna see on my phone because that's how I separate it. When I go home, that's home. When I'm at work, I'm at work. And sometimes, again, they do overlap, but I try to keep it from overlapping as much as possible. So I'm not an Outlook girl on my phone.\r\n\r\n- I think moreso for me, the boundary setting is really important in the physical, tangible experience, not necessarily the notification portion of it. So, for me, it's really important to do a clear, like, start-stop. So if I say I'm gonna get to work by this time, I'm getting to work by this time. If I say I'm gonna leave by this time, I do my best to leave by that time. For me, notifications is a flexible boundary. So I'm OK with seeing, \"Oh, somebody posted a Teams message about the volunteer thing for the event next week. I'm like, \"OK, cool.\" That's not gonna rub me wrong. But if I see a notification about, \"Oh, we've got this big thing coming up and it's like a month away, I'm like, OK, cut that off.\" So I'm more, stop-\r\n\r\n- Fruity.\r\n\r\n- Stop, stop. So that, that's how, that's how I kind of do it. There's flexible ones and then there's like the really hard-stop ones for me.\r\n\r\n- I'm, I'm glad you said that, Kai. Because my Outlook is not there, but my Teams is.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n- But I think the Teams are, are just updates or quick questions, which is almost like a text to me, does that make sense?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, definitely.\r\n\r\n- Versus, do I have to think right this second? Not that we should not always be thinking, guys and girls but-\r\n\r\n- But with the emails, you gotta be .\r\n\r\n- Ooh, OK, yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, and, and I wanna point something out here, too. And and it was, this was, and everybody's message, it, well, first that it's, it's unique to the person.\r\n\r\n- Absolutely.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- And I, I would not sit here and compare yourself to another coworker say, \"I have to have the same type of boundaries they have.\" They were responding to those boundaries differently. So, and, and the other thing I wanna point out, too, it doesn't make you the best employee ever-\r\n\r\n- mmm hmm. That's right.\r\n\r\n- To work 24 hours.\r\n\r\n- Right.\r\n\r\n- And, and Sh'Maughn, I want to, I wanna throw this out to you. So if you, you have a hard stop or if you take time away or you put something away and somebody were to message you, does that, does that change your outlook on how you you are as a therapist? Probably not.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, no, no.\r\n\r\n- It, you understand that that's something that you need to do. And, and the same thing with Nicole. Nicole wants to be prepared and Angela also knows that \"Hey, I'm done with Duke when I leave Duke.\"\r\n\r\n- Right.\r\n\r\n- Like that's, that's the way that we operate. And it's important to understand that that doesn't give you an award for being the best employee who always answers their emails, but also the employee who does answer their emails beyond hours, that's because they are doing something that also helps or benefits their mental health.\r\n\r\n- Mmm hmm.\r\n\r\n- Right.\r\n\r\n- So the challenge, I think, for anybody listening to this is to think about how the person who's employing you responds to that. Be mindful of that. Be mindful of how people respect and treat your boundaries in those situations so that you're not caught off guard because you are doing something that makes you healthier, that makes you perform better, that makes you overall a, yes, a better employee when you're respecting your boundaries, not the boundaries of other people and not the boundaries that sometimes kind of limit you as a person.\r\n\r\n- Mmm hmm.\r\n\r\n- That was my stump speech.\r\n\r\n- I see\r\n\r\n- So, it's inevitable though that there will be moments, especially when we wear multiple hats in our lives, that these worlds are gonna collide. And so when these worlds collide, where do you see the beauty in that, I would say for any of us, actually, and then where do you say, \"Alright, maybe I need to rethink some of that?\" So, when these worlds collide, I'm thinking particularly for you as career advisor and also therapist, like there could be some beauty in that. And I don't want to jump in there and be like, \"Hey, I think there's beauty here,\" so you tell me.\r\n\r\n- And I think that's what I like. See, when I first got into, I guess, like, the mental-health industry, I didn't really think about career counseling at the time. Initially I didn't think about it, and then I eventually added it on to my program. So, but I feel like it's the perfect balance for me because doing therapy all day can be sometimes mentally draining. Like if you, for me personally, I can maybe do no more than three to four clients a day when it comes to mental health, but when it, when it comes to students, it's a little different. So I, I like that, I like that it's a balance. So even when I get off and I have to do maybe a session or two with a couple or a client, it's not, it is not really intense because it's like, I really didn't talk about mental health and social issues and relationship and things like that all day. I've really been talking about career advice and career development. So it's like whenever they kind of mesh together, it seems like, I'm just really doing just this one job in a sense. So even though I work two jobs, it doesn't really feel as if I work two jobs all the time. It really just kind of feels like one, if anything, so.\r\n\r\n- My world collides every day. It really does. OK, so I think one of the biggest things, right? We all know that I bake, it is what it is. I think that's relax, each and every one of you.\r\n\r\n- If you could remind us again this week, just with visual representation that we can-\r\n\r\n- What's on the menu.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Anyway, so that's the part where I enjoy when my worlds collide, right? So like I, when I get the, the, when I get the urge and have the time to actually go home and bring something, I enjoy bringing it into the office and having it there for folks. So I mean, like, those are little areas, you know, I enjoy when somebody puts in Teams, you know, \"Hey, I'm going to do this. If anybody wants to join me.\" I'm there, cool. So when the world's collide like that, it's, it's pretty cool. But then there are times where the worlds can't collide, right? Like, hold your eyes. But last night I was gonna go home and I was like, \"Yeah, I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna make like muffins and everything to bring in for everybody today,\" but your girl was tired. And I had it to kind of respect that. I went back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. But at the end of the day, it was one of those things where these folks know I care about them, but I just don't have it in me tonight. So I think also, you know, kind of boundaries, setting that when, when you know you wanna do, but you, you just can't, and that's OK.\r\n\r\n- Your body will let you know.\r\n\r\n- OK.\r\n\r\n- Me as a person respects that deeply, but my stomach a little upset.\r\n\r\n- Now, I'm still just, Kai just saw me clutch my pearls when I have time. I don't know if I appreciated the attitude that came with it. I'm just saying, a sugar cookie with a career center podcast picture on top of it.\r\n\r\n- Wow.\r\n\r\n- Can you picture it? Follow me.\r\n\r\n- Who's buying me the food printer? Because I ain't got it.\r\n\r\n- We'll figure that part out.\r\n\r\n- Well, that's great.\r\n\r\n- No, I, I think there's this, there's this nice balance to, in our lives where we're able to see where things connect and unify. And I think that's when we feel like we're flourishing. We feel like we're flourishing in, in our day to day. And it's not about our job titles, it's about the work we get to do while we're a part of the things that we're responsible for. So it's, it's Sh'Maughn caring for people, and Nicole getting to carry out her, her talents as a baker. It's allowing us to, to see and be a part of things we truly enjoy and engage in topics and understanding. And then when those merge together, that is a wonderful thing, or it can be a wonderful thing. And there's gonna be times where these worlds do not collide or they collide in an awkward way and we have to figure out how to balance them. For me, like I, I have an MDiv and so part of my background was working in the faith space and trying to understand how the faith space interacts with a secular space. So a non-religious space and saying, \"Alright, if I've always learned it this way, but I'm in a space now where those are not even the rules that we play by, how do we engage with these topics?\" And I want you to know that it's OK to wrestle with those questions and try to figure that out and there's no one perfect answer. But also thinking about, number one, are we doing harm to people? When we are engaging with these, are we doing harm to ourselves by trying to wrestle and grapple with this too much? Is it causing us stress? Is it deteriorating our health? And, if the answer is no, if we're finding more joy in the work that we're doing, keep doing it. Keep going and leaning into those things and leaning into those topics, leaning in those ideas. And so with that, y'all.\r\n\r\n- Already.\r\n\r\n- Wow, that was fast.\r\n\r\n- Now it's time to say goodbye.\r\n\r\n- It really was. It was too fast.\r\n\r\n- This has been the What's Career Got To Do With It? 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